Subject	THINK about this...
Posted by	Smurf Z on December 04, 2003 at 3:17 PM
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In Reply To	I think his point is this ---> posted by 1991TT on December 04, 2003 at 03:04 PM
Message	:This shouldn't be that big of a deal to most of us since in the long run, the consumer is going to benefit either way. To 99% of us, it's just a hobby. On the other hand, for those that do this for a living, things are a bit more complicated. Are you sure it's not a big deal to most of us? I believe that is wrong to say because then no owner would care about the quality of components they put into their cars. The same goes for the people in the business of selling. They want to make the best possible quality product, not only for profit but also because they want the buyer to have the best experience with that product. In that respect, it makes the seller and buyer one and the same in wanting top notch products; even if circumstances differ. In this respect, i completely understand Greg's stand on this issue and why he feels a strong need to differentiate his product with an alleged lesser quality product. Whether it's a hobby or business, we all have an investment to protect. That's what makes it important to all of us for the vendors to be clear about their products vs the competition.
Follow Ups	More detailed and easy to understand info on split downpipes - Specialty-Z 11:28:48 12/04/03 Everything you wrote makes sense, but paragraphs OWN! - BigTDogg (MA) 11:40:16 12/04/03 Many cars come from the factory with Flex Joints.... - Specialty-Z 12:05:18 12/04/03 What Greg really means is... - Stealth021 16:06:33 12/04/03 It is always a good idea to use a flex joint, our manifold - Chip(GMS Racing) 16:10:50 12/04/03 To note: - Stealth021 16:52:13 12/04/03 Sounds like encouragement to get someone to try and tear up - speedr300z (ATL) 11:41:17 12/04/03 So you are saying that the RVM pipes will all fall apart? - AshsZ 11:41:48 12/04/03 I know your not asking me, but I believe that on a time vs - Scotts94z32 11:48:22 12/04/03 I guess you haven't seen high mile, rusty, weak DPs then. - AshsZ 11:53:29 12/04/03 Stainless will fail first when assembled this way because of - Specialty-Z 11:56:39 12/04/03 I am not commenting on who's right or wrong.... - RSR 12:15:39 12/04/03 i so don't want to get involved, - nixit 11:56:02 12/04/03 It is not the weld that will crack...... - Specialty-Z 11:59:07 12/04/03 I'm no expert, so I am officially sitting on my hands. (n/m) - nixit 12:00:02 12/04/03 hope your thumb isnt up (n/m) - fairladyzguy 12:04:08 12/04/03 true, but where the weld material, whatever it is, is in - Scotts94z32 12:15:30 12/04/03 totally depends on amperage and welders settings... - nixit 12:56:43 12/04/03 amperage also known as heat settings, Nixit is right on the> - Cap927 (hibernating Z) 15:08:25 12/04/03 Yes...Just like all greddy TD05 manifolds crack. (n/m) - Specialty-Z 11:53:28 12/04/03 We'll be keeping tabs on this theory... :) - AshsZ 11:58:21 12/04/03 I feel based on experience that the guys that drive these... - Specialty-Z 12:01:33 12/04/03 One of John's TT's here has the RVMs and his car is dropped - AshsZ 12:58:07 12/04/03 Well put. Structural Engineer does not equal experienced - Scotts94z32 11:42:59 12/04/03 Did you ever produce the calaculations I asked you for - AshsZ 12:04:03 12/04/03 >>> - Scotts94z32 12:42:02 12/04/03 I'm threw that out there to discredit your claim that - AshsZ 13:01:17 12/04/03 It's not there to make one think I am an expert on anything, - Scotts94z32 13:27:55 12/04/03 Sshouldn't aluminum be worse? - Marshall 15:27:38 12/04/03 Most of the cars with aluminum piping in the engine - Chip(GMS Racing) 15:39:10 12/04/03 Quick question: - Marshall 15:36:18 12/04/03 fwiw; NZR; - nixit 16:12:59 12/04/03 interesting... - Marshall 17:58:54 12/04/03 TC'y is the issue I am talking about... - Scotts94z32 20:27:21 12/04/03 Data rules, so I'll offer one data point.... - RSR 12:12:01 12/04/03 Man I bet that was fun! - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 12:17:54 12/04/03 ...... - RSR 13:17:07 12/04/03 Did you ever post the video? - Marshall 15:28:26 12/04/03 Random Tech downpipes are welded on the outside. - Chip(GMS Racing) 12:35:15 12/04/03 Random tech pipes are 3" open and run signifacantly cooler.. - Specialty-Z 13:27:35 12/04/03 You can send a set of your pipes to me at Z1. =) - AshsZ 12:53:42 12/04/03 Now Ash, he said he will give a set to the first set of RVM - speedr300z (ATL) 13:03:31 12/04/03 I guess I could ask Greg for a set of RVMs instead...? (n/m) - AshsZ 13:11:39 12/04/03 muhahahhaha!!! (n/m) - ForceFedTT 00:09:25 12/05/03 We have sold over 1000 sets and not 1 has cracked ... - Specialty-Z 13:23:58 12/04/03 I wrecked my car and I had SZ SDP's on.... - Zeus 13:49:08 12/04/03 You're a class act Ash...leaving out the details. (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 13:25:38 12/04/03 LOL, I thought it was funny.. I really, and I strongly - AshsZ 13:53:42 12/04/03 My real point: Z1 is not the "enemy", if you want to call - AshsZ 14:11:55 12/04/03 2nd. - 1991TT 14:59:32 12/04/03 Good point.. (n/m) - ibpimpn 16:06:50 12/04/03 You guys need to STOP that bullshit "enemy" game you play. - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 18:29:52 12/04/03 I wouldn't call it like that Ryan.. Im pretty sure - AshsZ 19:42:44 12/04/03 hey Seedy.... - Spee 21:20:50 12/04/03 That was and is your problem, you thought. :( (n/m) - Spongerider :) 14:26:55 12/04/03 I totally agree.. (n/m) - ibpimpn 14:46:24 12/04/03 Gee Ash, when you put it in those terms... - Smurf Z 14:55:37 12/04/03 I think his point is this ---> - 1991TT 15:04:00 12/04/03 You think or know? There is a difference, BTW ash can think - Spongerider :) 15:07:58 12/04/03 Alright Sandy, I know. - 1991TT 15:11:19 12/04/03 Hmm, name calling (CLASSY) , talking for a lot of - Spongerider :) 16:02:10 12/04/03 To MOST of us, this is a hobby. - 1991TT 07:33:46 12/05/03 True. But if one understands another's meaning, can't they - AshsZ 20:01:13 12/04/03 THINK about this... - Smurf Z 15:17:03 12/04/03 Agreed, but... - 1991TT 15:43:42 12/04/03 You Damn Capitalist! - Chip(GMS Racing) 15:49:01 12/04/03 LOL that's funny. :-) - Smurf Z 15:55:13 12/04/03 Yep, gotta love it. Although if you never go public - Chip(GMS Racing) 16:06:39 12/04/03 Yes and no. - Smurf Z 15:52:44 12/04/03 Very well said! (n/m) - Spongerider :) 16:05:53 12/04/03 Drama queen... geez. - AshsZ 19:47:09 12/04/03 Agree to disagree - 1991TT 07:52:37 12/05/03 This event affects vendors and consumers very differently. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:07:23 12/04/03 That is all I was implying by that.. Seedy doesn't know - AshsZ 17:06:04 12/04/03 For those that are confused this is what he meant. - Spongerider :) 18:12:51 12/04/03 Thanks! Wondered where that post was. (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 18:44:07 12/04/03 Think you have the wrong link for the pics that Ash posted.. - speedr300z (ATL) 21:20:08 12/04/03 Nope, look at the link, then see the next thread above - Spongerider :) 11:05:03 12/05/03 Maybe you should re-read that post, He is stating that - speedr300z (ATL) 11:43:58 12/05/03 nope (n/m) - Spongerider :) 13:53:57 12/05/03 yup (n/m) - speedr300z (ATL) 16:49:55 12/05/03 Also, on a side note, Ash is NOT a site sponsor... - speedr300z (ATL) 09:11:10 12/05/03 Really?? Have you clicked on his links below his sig?? - Spongerider :) 11:03:45 12/05/03 When did links included in a signature make you a site - speedr300z (ATL) 11:47:45 12/05/03 With the "Nice Profile :)" thing... - 1991TT 12:50:28 12/05/03 I'm about as out of place as you are ignorant to reality... - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 18:38:24 12/04/03 WHAT THE ? dude, I explained that whole post and what - AshsZ 20:04:06 12/04/03 looks like another quality tune jobs at 13+ af to me.. (n/m) - Halo Z 15:36:06 12/04/03 hehehe.. (n/m) - AshsZ 17:08:07 12/04/03 For 1/3 the cost, stainless steel and testpipes to boot... - Kenny 14 psi 13:13:36 12/04/03 They aren't 304 grade stainless, are they? (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 13:38:40 12/04/03 ALL of RTs products are 304SS, they do not use anything - Chip(GMS Racing) 13:47:19 12/04/03 Actually they are. - Kenny 14 psi 13:48:42 12/04/03 Okay, are they double welded? (n/m) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 18:31:13 12/04/03 Greg himself said the less welding the better. - Kenny 14 psi 23:16:39 12/04/03 Imagine that call to UPS... - 1991TT 08:21:33 12/05/03 That was my point!>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 08:40:40 12/05/03 ... - Kenny 14 psi 13:22:32 12/05/03 I have rt dp's on my car, and they are fine. Had them for - Chris(NJ) 13:55:08 12/04/03 Re: For 1/3 the cost, stainless steel and testpipes to boot... - Specialty-Z 14:02:33 12/04/03 Re: Re: For 1/3 the cost, stainless steel and testpipes to boot... - Kenny 14 psi 14:13:37 12/04/03 I actualy spoke with Ron Bello (the owner of RVM)..... - Specialty-Z 14:28:03 12/04/03 kinda off topic here, but is he related to Eddie Bello ? (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 21:08:44 12/04/03 The best you can do ... - MatD 14:17:24 12/04/03 Quality is rarely inexpensive. - Spee 17:37:36 12/04/03 My local made DP are made of mild steel and coated - MikeH(Twin GT35BB Incon Z) 13:14:49 12/04/03 Mild steel does not expand like stainless and is much more - Specialty-Z 14:07:28 12/04/03 Competition = good for consumer - 1991TT 14:51:44 12/04/03 And your a student right? BTW, nice profile. :) (n/m) - Spongerider :) 15:10:25 12/04/03 *you're (n/m) - aliaZ 19:00:17 12/04/03 Question for you. - Smurf Z 15:24:22 12/04/03 Sounds like a stupid question to me: - therinL 15:28:31 12/04/03 Not a stupid question. - Smurf Z 15:39:55 12/04/03 Thanks for being stubborn =) (n/m) - therinL 16:22:44 12/04/03 Thanks for being THE idiot. :-) (n/m) - Smurf Z 16:41:19 12/04/03 JWT ECU is proven and a good product. (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 21:07:06 12/04/03 Try not to be a complete idiot. - Kenny 14 psi 15:39:51 12/04/03 Please join therinL on the short bus... - Smurf Z 15:44:42 12/04/03 300zxclub.com (n/m) - Kenny 14 psi 23:18:46 12/04/03 Are they ALL on the short bus too??? (n/m) - Smurf Z 08:46:53 12/05/03 Forget Sport 500s and Z1 turbos, I'm waiting for RVM turbos! - ZigZag 17:48:04 12/04/03 ADMIN, please remove ZigZag's noob icon! His is ... - Lorca@APTunerZ 21:30:07 12/04/03 What?!? RVM is making turbos?!? - 1991TT 08:39:00 12/05/03 I already have good turbos. - 1991TT 08:32:21 12/05/03 w0w (n/m) - fourZero 14:58:35 12/05/03 I have to bookmark this post to read it later - PLEAZURE in CA (SD) 17:04:53 12/04/03 It's THIS simple people... - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 08:50:17 12/05/03 The difference in your fascia philosophy... - 1991TT 09:40:53 12/05/03 Yep, which is why I said we need to wait :) - SeedyROM (ZCON 2K4!) 15:28:41 12/05/03 Big second. Enough has been said about all of this - Chip(GMS Racing) 11:24:15 12/05/03
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